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TS32GSSD25-M Re:CrystalDiskInfo 3.0 -Moonlight- ... HGST使い? 09/6/15(月) 20:07 [添付]
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・名前 : TS32GSSD25-M.png
・サイズ : 34.8KB
   トランセンドのTS32GSSD25-M(高速版として後から出たVer)を積んだ旧式ノートPCの結果です。
JSMonitor等で既にSMARTの値がどんな意味かバレバレのようですが、JMicron系のコントローラーを積んだ格安IDE SSDです。
この子は躾が悪く、PATA機器なのにSATAと答えを返すようです。
# 困ったもんだ・・・

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CrystalDiskInfo 3.0.0 Dev#7 (C) 2008-2009 hiyohiyo
                                Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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    OS : Windows XP Home Edition SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)
  Date : 2009/06/15 19:52:17

-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
+ ALi M5229 PCI Bus Master IDE Controller [ATA]
   + プライマリ IDE チャネル (0)
     - TS32GSSD25-M
   - セカンダリ IDE チャネル (1)

-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) TS32GSSD25-M : 32.0 GB [0-0-0, pd1]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) TS32GSSD25-M
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Model : TS32GSSD25-M
         Firmware : V0826
    Serial Number : ************
  Total Disk Size : 32.0 GB (8.4/32.0/----)
      Buffer Size : 不明
    NV Cache Size : ----
Number of Sectors : 62586880
    Rotation Rate : 不明
        Interface : Serial ATA
    Major Version : ATA8-ACS
    Minor Version : ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D version 4a
    Transfer Mode : SATA/300
   Power On Hours : 0 時間
   Power On Count : 469 回
      Temparature : 不明
    Health Status : 不明
         Features : S.M.A.R.T.
        APM Level : ----
        AAM Level : ----

-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr Raw Values   Attribute Name
0C 100 100 __0 0000000001D5 電源投入回数
09 100 100 __0 000000000000 使用時間
C2 _32 100 __0 000000000000 温度
E5 100 __0 __0 EC74B614D5EC 不明
E8 100 _48 __0 043732383038 不明
E9 100 __0 __0 000000000000 不明
EA 100 __0 __0 002C08008A07 不明
EB 100 __0 __0 00001804D03F 不明

-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 40 00 FF 3F 37 C8 10 00 00 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00
010: 00 00 0E 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
020: FF FF FF FF FF FF 20 20 00 00 00 00 3F 00 30 56
030: 32 38 20 36 20 20 53 54 32 33 53 47 44 53 35 32
040: 4D 2D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
050: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 80
060: 00 40 00 2F 00 40 80 02 00 00 07 00 FF 3F 10 00
070: 3F 00 10 FC FB 00 01 00 00 00 BB 03 00 00 07 00
080: 03 00 78 00 78 00 78 00 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: FE 01 21 00 6B 00 00 50 00 40 29 00 00 50 00 40
0B0: 3F 10 01 00 01 00 00 00 FE FF 00 20 FE 80 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 05 0C 32 00 64 64 D5 01 00 00 00 00 00 09 32 00
010: 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 07 00 20 64 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 E5 02 00 64 00 EC D5 14 B6 74 EC
030: D5 E8 02 00 64 30 38 30 38 32 37 04 04 E9 02 00
040: 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EA 02 00 64 00 07 8A
050: 00 08 2C 00 00 EB 02 00 64 00 3F D0 04 18 00 00
060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 52 00

-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00 00
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 E5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 E8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E9 00 00
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EA 00 00 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 EB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 8E 00

添付画像
【TS32GSSD25-M.png : 34.8KB】

Dev#8結果 (TS32GSSD25-M)
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[添付]〜添付ファイル〜
・名前 : ALi_M5229_PCI_Bus_Master_IDE_Controller.png
・サイズ : 14.1KB

[添付]〜添付ファイル〜
・名前 : CDI30D8-TS32GSSD25-M.png
・サイズ : 34.8KB
   Dev#8の結果です。

そういえば、このIDEコントローラーでCDIが動くというのは一覧に乗ってませでしたね。
msinfo32より記載。
名前 ALi M5229 PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
製造元 Acer Labs Inc
状態 OK
PNP デバイス ID PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5229&SUBSYS_00041179&REV_C3\3&61AAA01&0&20
I/O ポート 0x0000EFF0-0x0000EFFF
ドライブ c:\windows\system32\drivers\aliide.sys (1.20, 5.13 KB (5,248 バイト), 2001/08/17 22:51)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskInfo 3.0.0 Dev#8 (C) 2008-2009 hiyohiyo
                                Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    OS : Windows XP Home Edition SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)
  Date : 2009/06/17 21:10:16

-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
+ ALi M5229 PCI Bus Master IDE Controller [ATA]
   + プライマリ IDE チャネル (0)
     - TS32GSSD25-M
   - セカンダリ IDE チャネル (1)

-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) TS32GSSD25-M : 32.0 GB [0-0-0, pd1]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) TS32GSSD25-M
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Model : TS32GSSD25-M
         Firmware : V0826
    Serial Number : ************
  Total Disk Size : 32.0 GB (8.4/32.0/----)
      Buffer Size : 不明
    NV Cache Size : ----
Number of Sectors : 62586880
    Rotation Rate : 不明
        Interface : Serial ATA
    Major Version : ATA8-ACS
    Minor Version : ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D version 4a
    Transfer Mode : SATA/300
   Power On Hours : 0 時間
   Power On Count : 469 回
      Temparature : 不明
    Health Status : 不明
         Features : S.M.A.R.T.
        APM Level : ----
        AAM Level : ----

-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr Raw Values   Attribute Name
0C 100 100 __0 0000000001D5 電源投入回数
09 100 100 __0 000000000000 使用時間
C2 _32 100 __0 000000000000 温度
E5 100 __0 __0 EC74B614D5EC ベンダ固有
E8 100 _48 __0 043732383038 ベンダ固有
E9 100 __0 __0 000000000000 ベンダ固有
EA 100 __0 __0 00430800A207 ベンダ固有
EB 100 __0 __0 00001804D03F ベンダ固有

-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 40 00 FF 3F 37 C8 10 00 00 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00
010: 00 00 0E 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
020: FF FF FF FF FF FF 20 20 00 00 00 00 3F 00 30 56
030: 32 38 20 36 20 20 53 54 32 33 53 47 44 53 35 32
040: 4D 2D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
050: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 80
060: 00 40 00 2F 00 40 80 02 00 00 07 00 FF 3F 10 00
070: 3F 00 10 FC FB 00 01 00 00 00 BB 03 00 00 07 00
080: 03 00 78 00 78 00 78 00 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: FE 01 21 00 6B 00 00 50 00 40 29 00 00 50 00 40
0B0: 3F 10 01 00 01 00 00 00 FE FF 00 20 FE 80 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 05 0C 32 00 64 64 D5 01 00 00 00 00 00 09 32 00
010: 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 07 00 20 64 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 E5 02 00 64 00 EC D5 14 B6 74 EC
030: D5 E8 02 00 64 30 38 30 38 32 37 04 04 E9 02 00
040: 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EA 02 00 64 00 07 A2
050: 00 08 43 00 00 EB 02 00 64 00 3F D0 04 18 00 00
060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 23 00

-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
     +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00 00
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 E5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 E8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E9 00 00
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EA 00 00 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 EB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 8E 00

添付画像
【ALi_M5229_PCI_Bus_Master_IDE_Controller.png : 14.1KB】

添付画像
【CDI30D8-TS32GSSD25-M.png : 34.8KB】

Re:Dev#8結果 (TS32GSSD25-M)
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   ▼HGST使い?さん:
>名前 ALi M5229 PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
対応コントローラリストに追加いたしました。
ALi も買収されちゃいましたしホントチップセットベンダは少なくなりましたねぇ。

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